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Re: Kina

Innlegg Jan A. Skarstein 21 Okt 2013, 12:31

Nytt fra Kina:

Senior CPC official urges enhanced Marxist study
Communist Party of China (CPC) on Sunday called for enhanced study of Marxism to provide theoretical support for a great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation. Liu Yunshan, a member of the Standing Committee of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee, made the remarks at a symposium on the study and development of Marxism ... 4556_2.htm

Det er dog viktig å presisere at CPC ikke snakker som en samlet organisasjon, til det er den for stor og uoversiktelig. Men uansett er det en høyt stående person som kommer med slike uttalelser.

Chinese authorities arrest wealthy activist Wang Gongquan

Chinese authorities have formally arrested a wealthy Chinese businessman who was a key supporter of a civil society group targeted in a wide-ranging crackdown this year, his lawyer said on Monday.

Beijing prosecutors approved the arrest of venture capitalist Wang Gongquan on Sunday, according to Chen Youxi, Wang's lawyer, who said prosecutors notified him by phone of the decision on Monday.

Wang was detained in mid-September on suspicion of "gathering crowds to disturb public order" but had not been formally arrested until Sunday. The vaguely defined charge has been used to prosecute many members of a loosely organised movement that's been pushing for greater public participation in Chinese political issues. ... g-gongquan

Dissidenter blir fortsatt slått hardt ned på, milliardærer eller ikke. Dette kommer til å bli mer av pga internetloven jeg nevnte tidligere i denne tråden
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Re: Kina

Innlegg Jan A. Skarstein 24 Okt 2013, 13:59

Report: Chinese Censorship Expanding Abroad
The [report] breaks down four ways China uses pressure to influence media outlets outside of China: direct action by Chinese officials to punish overseas outlets that fail to heed Chinese restrictions, economic incentives to induce self-censorship among media, indirect pressure applied through proxies like other foreign governments or advertisers, and finally cyberattacks and physical assaults that the report says are not conclusively traceable to Chinese authorities.

China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs did not respond to a faxed request for comment on the report.

Concerned it is losing the soft-power battle to the U.S. and frustrated with what it believes is an anti-China bias in foreign media, Beijing has grown increasingly eager to improve the country’s image abroad in recent years, partly by doing more to control or influence the way it is portrayed in the media. As a result, the government has spent lavishly on an effort to expand the reach of its official media organizations, including by launching an American branch of state broadcaster CCTV that aims to mimic the success of Al-Jazeera. At the same time, it has increased restrictions on foreign media inside the country. ... 8-28360685

Kan ikke si dette er overaskende, men dog fortsatt meget skremmende. En annen raport jeg leste for noen få dager siden som jeg desverre ikke har for hånden nå, sa at verdens medier generelt blir mer og mer Kina-kritiske. Selv steder hvor man skulle tro at Kina-følelsene ville være mer positive somi Afrika merker jeg tendenser til mer Kina-kritiske sentimenter spessielt blant media og oposisjonspartier.

Så hva sier dette oss om framtiden? Det virker som om kommunistparitet på ingen måte ønsker sosiale reformer i nær framtid, og holder på "sosial orden gjennom makt" linjen som kan fort bli et stort problem hvis den økonomiske politikken slår feil og veksten bremser ned. Allerede nå merker jeg selv det er mindre optimisme og vanskeligere å finne jobb selv i Shanghai. Kommunistpartiet har sikret seg legitimitet nettopp gjennom økonomisk vekst.
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Re: Kina

Innlegg Ultima_Thule 06 Jan 2014, 21:50

How China Is Behind the Nuclear Program of Iran—and Every Other Rogue State

Beijing proved masterful at enabling Pyongyang to expand its program, and did the same for Pakistan. Now it’s Tehran’s turn.

Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle, E.U. foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, and French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius shake hands after a statement on early Nov. 24, 2013, in Geneva. (Fabrice Coffrini/AFP/Getty Images)

In November, immediately after the announcement that Iran had reached a deal with Western negotiators concerning its nuclear program, China’s former ambassador to Tehran, Hua Liming, made the case that Beijing—not the American Secretary of State John Kerry or the European Union envoy Catherine Ashton—ultimately deserved credit for brokering the agreement. “When the two parties came across irresolvable problems, they would come to China, which would ‘lubricate’ the negotiation and put things back on track,” Hua, apparently speaking at the direction of the Communist Party, told Chinese state media.

There has been considerable disagreement about whether the interim arrangement, which partially freezes Iran’s nuclear program, is a good deal for the international community. Beijing’s enthusiasm is sufficient evidence that it is not: China is Iran’s best big-power friend, and if Hua is to be believed, then Beijing thinks it has just scored a triumph for its friends in Tehran.

This is the latest instance of the Chinese, mostly in concert with the Russians but sometimes alone, providing diplomatic support where it counts. Without China running interference with the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency and the U.N. Security Council, the Russians would undoubtedly be less willing to support Tehran. But with Beijing in the background and sometimes out front, the Iranians can hold off others as their nuclear efforts proceed at what appears to be a rapid pace.

Chinese leaders say their nation “has always adopted a serious and responsible attitude toward preventing the proliferation of nuclear weapons”—but that is far from the truth. Beijing has proven masterful at procuring time for nuclearizing rogues, having protected North Korea during negotiations about its atomic program, known as the Six-Party Talks, which China has sponsored since August 2003. During those fruitless negotiations, the Kim regime first stalled, then lied, and finally crowed—when it detonated its first atomic device, in October 2006. Since then, there have been two subsequent tests, in May 2009 and, more recently, this past February.

During all three detonations, Iranian representatives, including the mysterious Mohsen Fakhrizadeh—thought to be Iran’s chief nuclear scientist—were present. Tehran has been funding the North Korean nuclear program for perhaps as long as a decade, which means the Islamic Republic is already a nuclear state, at least as a practical matter. The close cooperation across national boundaries means nuclear weapons programs need not be just national in scope. We tend to think of China, Pakistan, North Korea, and Iran as having four parallel efforts, but in truth it’s better thought of as one program conducted in various locations.

It is China that ultimately makes Iran dangerous. Without the People’s Republic, the Islamic one would not be able to withstand pressure from the international community. China is the biggest purchaser of Iranian oil, surreptitiously evading American sanctions by paying in gold and in renminbi, the Chinese currency—or simply by taking smuggled cargoes. Moreover, Beijing has apparently helped Tehran sell crude to Pyongyang, as evident from the deal reached last year between the two rogue states. China kept a role for itself with a requirement that oil had to be shipped to Chinese state enterprises, an indication that the People’s Republic was paying for at least a part of North Korea’s purchases. Whenever two of China’s closest client states begin talking, Beijing must be helping both.

China’s historic support for Iran is one reason we should be suspicious of November’s interim freeze. The terms of the deal struck between the Iranians and negotiators representing the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council and Germany—commonly referred to as the P5+1—foreclose the likelihood of an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities while a final agreement is worked out, a process that could extend well beyond the six-month term currently being advertised.

Meanwhile, there have been reports in the past few weeks of new activity at Punggye-ri, the site of all three previous North Korean tests. Specifically, satellite photos show two new tunnel entrances suggesting two upcoming explosions. So, while President Hassan Rouhani talks with diplomats in Geneva about the shape of a comprehensive agreement, his weapons specialists are likely beavering away in the hills of northeast North Korea, laying the groundwork for Iran’s first detonation—or maybe its fourth.


Beijing began transferring technology, materials, and equipment to Pakistan as early as 1974. The initial aid may have been only in the form of “crude technology,” but it started a decades-long collaboration. In the early 1980s, just when its officials began to make responsible-sounding statements about nuclear proliferation, Beijing sent Islamabad plans for a nuclear warhead and enough enriched uranium for two weapons.

Beginning in 1994, the Chinese sold 5,000 ring magnets, used in gas centrifuges for enriching uranium, to the laboratory of the infamous Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan. Beijing also appears to have provided nuclear test data, more modern warhead designs, and plutonium technology for which there are no peaceful uses. China may even have tested a Pakistani device on its soil. Chinese help was crucial, extensive, and continuous. “If you subtract Chinese assistance from the Pakistani nuclear weapons program, there is no program,” says Gary Milhollin of the Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control.

Various countries, including Iran, then got access to “China’s bomb” when Dr. Khan began to merchandise Armageddon. And when Khan was caught a decade ago, Beijing, after ensuring he received a quick pardon from his own government, then employed two backup stratagems: It permitted the North Koreans to proliferate and, more significantly, took over Khan’s proliferant role directly. What once was indirect became direct as Beijing began transferring materials and equipment straight to Tehran.

The National Council of Resistance of Iran, the dissident group that in 2002 disclosed the heavy-water production facility at Arak and the underground uranium-enrichment plant in Natanz, charged in September 2005 that the Chinese trade in centrifuges continued into that year. That month, NCRI also accused China of secretly sending beryllium to Iran. This metal is used in neutron initiators to trigger nuclear weapons, and due to the surreptitious nature of the transfers, it is highly unlikely that Iran bought the material for civilian purposes. The allegation is consistent with other reports about Iran’s covert attempts to source beryllium at that time. In July 2007, the Wall Street Journal reported that the State Department had lodged formal protests with Beijing about Chinese companies, in violation of the first two Security Council resolutions on Iran, exporting to that country items that could help Tehran build nukes.

With regularity, officials in Asia have confiscated shipments of equipment and materials sold by Chinese state enterprises to Iranian companies in contravention of international treaties and U.N. rules. In March 2011, Malaysian police in Port Klang seized two containers from a ship en route to Iran from China. Authorities suspected that items labeled “goods used for liquid mixing or storage for pharmaceutical or chemical or food industry” were actually parts for nuclear warheads. Recently Chinese entities have been implicated in transfers of maraging steel, ring-shaped magnets, and valves and vacuum gauges, all apparently for use in Iran’s atom bomb effort.

There appears to have been a recent decline in direct Chinese shipments to the Iranian program, due to two factors. First, Beijing has already transferred most of what the “atomic ayatollahs” need for a splendid weapon. Second, the Chinese are, from all indications, letting the North Koreans take the lead proliferation role. Maybe that is why Fakhrizadeh was spotted in China on his way to North Korea for the regime’s third test.

Fakhrizadeh’s unimpeded passage through China tells us that, if there is such a thing as “managed proliferation,” the Chinese are its masters. Beijing, to borrow a Middle Kingdom metaphor, has been “killing with a borrowed knife.” And it looks like it is boldly working both sides of the street. In the past, China used Pakistan to transfer nuclear weapons tech to Iran, and now it is employing North Korea for the same purpose. At the same time, it may be reactiving the Pakistani channel to aid’s Iran’s adversaries, especially Saudi Arabia. There are reports that Islamabad may transfer completed nukes to Riyadh, and any such move would almost certainly require Beijing’s approval. China itself signed a nuclear cooperation pact with the Saudis in 2012.

So, Pakistan and North Korea have done Beijing’s bidding. Will Iran be tomorrow’s dagger for China? Whether or not the Chinese proliferate nuclear technology through the Iranians, there is one thing we know. “There is a circle of countries that want nuclear weapons,” says Rick Fisher, a leading analyst of the Chinese military, “and in the center of that circle of evil is China.”

Despite what Beijing would have us believe, China has not stopped playing “the proliferation card,” its most powerful tool for accomplishing its most important strategic objectives. And as much as we would like to think otherwise, the Chinese are willing to risk nuclear winter to get their way in the world. Today, they see the mullahs as a tool, so we should not be surprised that Beijing is arming them, even though they lead what could be the world’s most dangerous rogue regime.

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Re: Kina

Innlegg Jan A. Skarstein 01 Apr 2014, 09:44

Jeg har et par personlige tanker rundt Kina jeg har lyst å dele.

"Når vi henger den siste kapitalisten,så skjer det med det rep han selv solgte oss" skal visst nok Lenin ha sagt en gang. Jeg sitter nå og lurer på om akkurat det ikke er i ferd med å skje i tilfellet Kina.

Ikke misforstå, det at så mange hundrevis av milioner av mennsker har blitt løftet ut av fattigdom er absolut en av verdens sukksesshistorier. Jeg har heller på ingen måte noe å vinne på at Kina går under, til det har jeg investert for mye tid og penger i Kina. Men likevel... likevel sitter her jeg i Shanghai og tenker på hva Kinas vekst egentlig har å si for meg, og for verden. Ja, jeg vet at hele verden tjener på Kinas veksts i form av reallønnsvekst, nye muligheter, større markeder og hele den økonomiske pakken. Jeg vet godt at jeg har nytt godt av det. Men likevel er det noe som bekymrer meg når jeg tenker på Kina. Det jeg ser innenfra er sosialpolitikk som går feile veien, jeg har postet noen artikkler i denne trådene allerede, men la meg oppsumere:

Mennskerettigheter er ikke bare manglende, men på flere felt går utviklingen i mindre, og svakere rettigheter. Dette gjelder spessielt ytringsfrihet hvor folk blir arrestert og sjikanert over en lav sko, og hvor statens propaganda departement ikke bare driver all massemedia, men også betaler folk til å poste pro-Kinesisk propaganda online. Det gjelder manglende rettsikerhet hvor tortur fortsatt er brukt, og hvor 0.7% av alle saker blir den tilltalte funnet uskyldig. Det gjelder en økende nasjonalisme, hvor vanligvis oppegående mennsker ønsker folkemord av Japanere, hvor flytragedier og forderinger av historien blir brukt av statlig media til å spre hat og sinne, og en sterk "Kina mot verden" tankegang.

Og hva så? Hvis jeg ikke liker det kan jeg jo bare dra tilbake til Norge, tross alt var det jo virkelig kun mitt eget valg å dra til Kina. Ja, igjen så stemmer dette. Men problemet er det dette ikke stopper ved Kinas greners. Kinesiske myndigheter, eller rettere sagt, Kinas Kommunistparti, har allerde startet med krav om selvsensur fra utenlandske medier, hvis kritiske artikler blir publisert så finnes det en rekke "triks" Kommunistparitet kan ta i bruk. "ooops der fikk man ikke innvilget journalistvisum gitt!" er en populært et, et annet er å nekte adgang til Kinesiske markedet for enten selve avisen, eller andre deler av konsernet, nekte de store Kinesiske selskapene å annonsere i kritiske medier, kjøpe opp utenlandske mediehus, eller hvis ingen av delene virker så leie inn noen lokale gangstere for å knivstikke eller slå ned journalister eller redaktører, noe som skjedde i Hong Kong to ganger forrige måned.

En annen måte er jo selvsagt å bruke økonomiske avtaler til å unngå internasjonalt press, eller irriterende spørsmål.

Jeg er faktisk ganske redd for utviklingen jeg ser. Når Kina vokser seg større og sterkere økonomisk ser jeg ikke helt hvor denne politiske kontrollen over medier vil stoppe. Jeg vil ikke at Kina skal gå under på noen måte, men jeg vil heller ikke leve i en verden hvor Kinas Kommunistparti er enerådene herre over verdens største supermakt.

Så hva med Lenin i begynnelsen? Jeg håper virkelig ikke at vestlige land som på grunn av egen virkelighetsfjerne politikk havnet i øknomiske uføre kommer til å selge bort resten av de individuelle rettighetene for å blidgjøre Kina.
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Re: Kina

Innlegg BHS 01 Apr 2014, 12:16

Jan A. Skarstein skrev:Mennskerettigheter er ikke bare manglende, men på flere felt går utviklingen i mindre, og svakere rettigheter. Dette gjelder spessielt ytringsfrihet hvor folk blir arrestert og sjikanert over en lav sko, og hvor statens propaganda departement ikke bare driver all massemedia, men også betaler folk til å poste pro-Kinesisk propaganda online. Det gjelder manglende rettsikerhet hvor tortur fortsatt er brukt, og hvor 0.7% av alle saker blir den tilltalte funnet uskyldig. Det gjelder en økende nasjonalisme, hvor vanligvis oppegående mennsker ønsker folkemord av Japanere, hvor flytragedier og forderinger av historien blir brukt av statlig media til å spre hat og sinne, og en sterk "Kina mot verden" tankegang.

Likner ikke dagens Kina mer på Mussolinis Italia og mindre på kommunist-regimer slik vi kjenner dem fra Lening, Mao, Bresjnev o.l.? Fascismen tillot jo en viss grad av privat eiendomsrett, men godt underlagt Den Store Staten. Og Mussolinis fascisme tok jo ikke menneskerettigheter så veldig alvorlig, men var på den annen side ikke så ille som Stalin, Hitler og Mao. Den virker på meg som om Kinas herskere har byttet ut "arbeiderklassen" og "klassekamp" som fokus for den totalitære politikken til fordel for "nasjonen" som fokus for sin fortsatt (delvis) totalitære linje. Det virker på meg som om avstanden mellom fascisme (i betydning Mussolinis ideologi) og kommunisme bare er at man bytter ut fokuset for den totalitære politikken og tillater begrenset privat eiendomsrett. Jeg husker forøvrig at Maos enke skjelte ut dommerne som dømte henne og de nye makthaverne for å være fascister. Og jeg mener å minnes at Mao kalte Krutsjov for fascist når han tonet ned fokuset på klassekampen til fordel for samling rundt nasjonen.
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Re: Kina

Innlegg Jan A. Skarstein 02 Apr 2014, 07:21

Stiller meg bak det BHS skriver. Og det er nettopp denne nasjonalismen som skremmer meg siden CPC ikke er redd for å bruke sin posisjon i verden til å fremme deres egen frihetsfiendtlige og maktkåte agenda internasjonalt, og det blir jo også lettere når hele utdanningssystemet er designet for å hindre folk i å tenke selv, og pressen er CPC's eget talerør.
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