Krigen på Gaza

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Re: Krigen på Gaza

Innlegg QIQrrr 08 Jun 2010, 08:18

Vegard Martinsen skrev:"Dette ble de drept for" er en overskrift i Dagbladet i dag 8/6; overskriften står over et fotografi som viser rullestoler, feltsenger og annet utstyr som åpenbart var ombord konvoien som var på vei til Gaza.

Dette viser enten at Dagbladet lyver leserne rett opp i ansiktet, eller at de tror at leserne er ekstremt lettlurte.

Ja, ni personer ble drept ombord i et av skipene i konvoien, men de ble drept i kampens hete fordi de angrep soldatene som kom ombord for å inspisere lasten. Forøvrig viser ikke Dagbadets fotografi det store antall slagvåpen o.l. som også var en del av lasten.

Også Reuters har åpenbare problemer med å gjengi et korrekt bilde av virkeligheten - mer om dette HER
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Re: Krigen på Gaza

Innlegg QIQrrr 08 Jun 2010, 09:13

Fra passasjerlisten:

Specific Flotilla Passangers Linked to Al-Qaeda, Hamas and Other Terror Organizations

IDF Spokesperson, June 6, 2010

The following passengers on board the Mavi Marmara are known to be involved in terrorist activity. The Mavi Marmara attempted to break the maritime closure on the Gaza Strip on Monday, May 31st 2010, and was boarded by Israel Navy forces.

Fatimah Mahmadi (born 1979), is a United States resident of Iranian origin, and an active member of the organization “Viva Palestine”, she attempted to smuggle forbidden electronic components into the Gaza Strip.

Ken O’Keefe (Born 1969), an American and British citizen, is a radical anti-Israel activist and operative of the Hamas Terror organization. He attempted to enter the Gaza Strip in order to form and train a commando unit for the Palestinian terror organization.

Hassan Iynasi (born 1982), a Turkish citizen and activist in a Turkish charity organization, is known of providing financial support to the Palestinian Islamic Jihad Terror organization.

Hussein Urosh, a Turkish citizen and activist in the IHH organization, was on his way to the Gaza Strip in order to assist in smuggling Al-Qaeda operatives via Turkey into the Strip.

Ahmad Umimon (born 1959), is a French citizen of Moroccan origin, and an operative of the Hamas Terrorist organization.
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Re: Krigen på Gaza

Innlegg rev 08 Jun 2010, 14:21

Vegard Martinsen skrev:Nye bilder fra Gaza-skipet: Aktivister sto klare til å angripe
Nye bilder fra blodbadet på «Mavi Marmara»


Ja, man skulle tro disse bildene var til å stole på, men nei! Det viser seg at Reuters croppet bort deler av bildene for å sette israelerene i et dårligere lys. At det foregår en sverting av Israel i internasjonal presse er det ingen som helst tvil om.

Bilde

http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/06/08/nyhe ... /12046570/


Kan forøvrig annbefale denne når det kommer til israel-fientlig manipulering av presse:
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Re: Krigen på Gaza

Innlegg QIQrrr 09 Jun 2010, 05:12

Ma'an News Agency, June 8, 2010: US dollars and Jordanian dinars were available in Gaza banks on Monday, after more than a year near total scarcity, the currencies flooded back into Gaza when Egypt opened its Rafah crossing. In the West Bank, rents and large purchases like lands and homes are often made in dollars, while most universities charge tuition in dinars, and the use of the Israeli shekel is confined to everyday purchases. “Attention: Automatic teller machines now have US dollars and Jordanian Dinars,” a sign posted on the wall of one Gaza bank read. One man waiting in line at an ATM said the announcement was a "good omen indicating that the siege on Gaza has begun to subside," while another customer gave "Thanks to Erdogan and Turkey because the situation has changed after the freedom flotilla" - Hard currencies back in Gaza banks
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Re: Krigen på Gaza

Innlegg Skatteflyktning 09 Jun 2010, 14:53

Tja,

Saa de som var i baaten brukte foeller og kniver naar hettekledde uinviterte personer kom ombord med automatvaapen.

Hmm, hva skjedde her med DLFs forsvar av privat eiendom (baaten og last)?
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Re: Krigen på Gaza

Innlegg QIQrrr 09 Jun 2010, 21:11

Skatteflyktning skrev:Hmm, hva skjedde her med DLFs forsvar av privat eiendom (baaten og last)?

Fortsatt intakt - Leonard Peikoff:

    A context-dropper forgets or evades any wider context. He stares at only one element, and he thinks, “I can change just this one point, and everything else will remain the same.” In fact, everything is interconnected. That one element involves a whole context, and to assess a change in one element, you must see what it means in the whole context - The Philosophy of Objectivism
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Re: Krigen på Gaza

Innlegg Vegard Martinsen 10 Jun 2010, 06:54

Skatteflyktning skrev:Tja,

Saa de som var i baaten brukte foeller og kniver naar hettekledde uinviterte personer kom ombord med automatvaapen.

Hmm, hva skjedde her med DLFs forsvar av privat eiendom (baaten og last)?


Båten forsøkte å bryte en militær blokade. Dette er en militær handling - til støtte for et regime Israel er i krig med.
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Re: Krigen på Gaza

Innlegg Håvard 10 Jun 2010, 10:22

Madrid gay pride march bans Israelis over Gaza flotilla raids

A delegation of gay residents of Tel Aviv has been banned from joining a gay pride march in Madrid because authorities in the Israeli city have not condemned the recent attack on the Gaza flotilla.

"After what has happened, and as human rights campaigners, it seemed barbaric to us to have them taking part," explained Antonio Poveda, of Spain's Federation of Lesbians, Gays, Transexuals and Bisexuals. "We don't just defend out own little patch."

The Tel Aviv group have reacted angrily to the decision, claiming that the Madrid activists were getting their priorities wrong by mixing the nine flotilla deaths with gay pride.

"I cannot recall anyone asking the Tel Aviv city hall to either support or condemn in this case. That is not their job. I also don't recall Madrid's gay organisations condemning any of the Palestinian terrorist attacks on cafes or buses," Eytan Schwartz, a spokesman for the city told Spain's El Mundo newspaper.

"Don't they know that Islamist fundamentalists don't just want to finish off Israel, but that they also believe homosexuals should 'cure themselves' or die?"

"It is shameful that they should join with pro-Palestinian and fundamentalist groups which are not exactly tolerant with homosexuality," he said.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/09/madrid-gay-pride-bans-israelis
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Re: Krigen på Gaza

Innlegg Rounin 10 Jun 2010, 10:32

At en organisasjon for homofile av alle ting skulle drive med rasisme... Eller blir dette polisme, siden de spesifikt diskriminerer mot folk fra Tel Aviv? Det er et nytt nivå av hykleri, i alle fall.
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Re: Krigen på Gaza

Innlegg QIQrrr 10 Jun 2010, 12:22

At homofile israelere nektes å delta i en parade i Spania er utvilsomt uhørt, men det skjer mye annet også:

    Ma'an News Agency, May 31, 2010: A projectile fired from Gaza landed in Israel late Monday. There were no immediate reports of injury or damage - Gaza faction launches mortar into western Negev

    Jerusalem Post, June 1, 2010: Two would-be Palestinian terrorists were killed on the Gaza border on Tuesday morning as the IDF foiled an infiltration attempt. No casualties were reported among the troops. Earlier Tuesday, soldiers spotted the two suspects attempting to cross the border fence, successfully chased them down and fatally shot them - 2 terrorists killed on Gaza border

    DAWN.com, June 1, 2010: Five Palestinians were killed by Israeli fire in Gaza on Tuesday as militants launched rockets and a rare cross-border raid after a deadly Israeli assault on an aid convoy - Five Palestinians killed by Israeli fire in Gaza violence

    DEBKAfile, June 7, 2010: Hamas frogmen were on their way to a large-scale attack on an Israeli target when their boat was intercepted by Israeli commandos and four or five armed Palestinians killed - Hamas frogmen thwarted

    IDF Spokesperson, June 7, 2010: The IAF recently targeted a terrorist squad preparing to fire rockets into Israel from the northern Gaza Strip. Direct hits were identified - IAF Targets Rocket Launching Squad in Northern Gaza Strip

    Ma'an News Agency, June 9, 2010: The Al-Quds Brigades said Wednesday that combatants detonated an explosive device toward an Israeli military tank east of Khan Younis, southern Gaza - Al-Quds Brigades claim blast targeting Israeli tank

I går forærte Obama 400 millioner dollar til Socialist International "hangaround" Mahmoud Abbas, leder av den "tidligere" terroristorganisasjonen Fatah - amerikanske skattebetalere er neppe overbegeistret over at skattepengene deres spanderes villig vekk på folk som ikke på noen som helst måte har gjort seg fortjent til økonomiske påskjønnelser. Noen ferske uttalelser fra Abbas' partifelle, Jibril Rajoub, tyder på alt annet enn fredelige hensikter:

Problemet er dypest sett Iran, men ettergivende og inkompetente vestlige sosialdemokrater stiller ikke langt bak i køen.
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