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Innlegg Østensjøen 24 Mai 2004, 20:36

KF skrev:Østensjøen:
Jeg har selv rikelig med tilgang på informasjon om islam og Israel som ikke er dominert av sosialist-tankegangen til norske sosialister.


Dette er ypperlig, men jeg vil allikevel påstå at Østensjøen vil finne at det perspektiv Vegard har på disse tingene i sine artikler er noe Østensjøen ikke har sett noe annet sted.

Nå er vel Østensjøen medlem av Høyre, men han kan vel allikvel abonnere på Liberal?


Ja, det er nok mulig at jeg engang vil gjøre det, men da må økonomien min forbedres en god del.
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Innlegg QIQrrr 09 Jun 2010, 23:51

På Vestbredden har terrororganisasjonen PLO nylig avholdt et kulturarrangementet. Hvorvidt norske støttespillere deltok på arrangementet vites ikke:

    Palestinian Media Watch, June 9, 2010: The Palestinian Third Culture and Education Festival held this week in Ramallah included dancers holding rifles, while dancing to a song that glorified violence against Israel. The song included the words: "There is no force in the world that can remove the weapon from my hand," and "He who offers his blood doesn't care if his blood flows upon the ground." The annual festival is sponsored by the PLO National Committee for Education, Science and Culture. This dance performance with rifles was broadcast on the Palestinian Authority's official TV and was held in the presence of the PA Minister of Culture and Minister of Women's Affairs - PMW Bulletins: Song to violence and death at PLO cultural festival


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Innlegg QIQrrr 27 Jun 2010, 23:19

IDF Spokesperson, June 27, 2010: Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the United States Military, Admiral Michael G. Mullen, concluded a short work visit to Israel today, as the guest of IDF Chief of Staff, Lt. Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi. Lt. Gen. Ashkenazi thanked Admiral Mullen for visiting Israel at this time and praised the relations between the two militaries: "We discussed the threats and challenges facing us. I view Admiral Mullen as a true friend and partner." Admiral Mullen thanked Lt. Gen. Ashkenazi and stated that he was happy to visit Israel, adding that the relationship between the two militaries is strong and solid: "The leadership of Chief of Staff Ashkenazi has made a positive difference in our relations, yet our challenges remain" - Admiral Mullen Concludes Work Visit to Israel, 27 June 2010

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Innlegg QIQrrr 30 Jun 2010, 07:04

Haaretz, June 29, 2010: Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' meeting in June with a group of influential American Jewish leaders and political heavyweights reflects a realization that courting American Jews could benefit the Palestinians. According to a transcript of the June 9 dinner, Abbas made a number of conciliatory statements. He repeatedly condemned violence, recognized the Jewish connection to the Holy Land and informed the audience that he had sent representatives to attend Holocaust commemoration ceremonies in Russia and Poland. "I want to tell everyone that these people suffered, and we are suffering. Now we want peace between each other," Abbas was quoted as saying. He rejected Holocaust denial, a common sentiment in Palestinian society. Abbas also acknowledged Israeli security concerns, saying he would allow foreign troops into a future Palestine to help maintain the peace. He vowed to remove incitement from Palestinian airwaves and textbooks. Participants said Abbas was so engrossed in the conversation that he didn't even eat his dinner. When flying home two days later, he still spoke warmly about the event. Not all guests were swayed. Israeli government officials in Jerusalem and the Israeli Embassy in Washington declined to comment on the meeting - Palestinians seek new partner: American Jews
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Innlegg Vegard Martinsen 30 Jun 2010, 07:28

QIQrrr skrev:Haaretz, June 29, 2010: Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' meeting in June with a group of influential American Jewish leaders and political heavyweights reflects a realization that courting American Jews could benefit the Palestinians. According to a transcript of the June 9 dinner, Abbas made a number of conciliatory statements. He repeatedly condemned violence, recognized the Jewish connection to the Holy Land and informed the audience that he had sent representatives to attend Holocaust commemoration ceremonies in Russia and Poland. "I want to tell everyone that these people suffered, and we are suffering. Now we want peace between each other," Abbas was quoted as saying. He rejected Holocaust denial, a common sentiment in Palestinian society. Abbas also acknowledged Israeli security concerns, saying he would allow foreign troops into a future Palestine to help maintain the peace. He vowed to remove incitement from Palestinian airwaves and textbooks. Participants said Abbas was so engrossed in the conversation that he didn't even eat his dinner. When flying home two days later, he still spoke warmly about the event. Not all guests were swayed. Israeli government officials in Jerusalem and the Israeli Embassy in Washington declined to comment on the meeting - Palestinians seek new partner: American Jews


Sier han dette også på arabisk, eller er det kun beregnet på ikke-arabere?
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Innlegg QIQrrr 30 Jun 2010, 07:49

Vegard Martinsen skrev:Sier han dette også på arabisk, eller er det kun beregnet på ikke-arabere?

Det vet jeg ikke, men det er ikke usannsynlig at han sier noe ganske annet på arabisk, men selv om han skulle uttrykke seg likelydende på arabisk så er det neppe mange som lytter. Det ligger også en forutsetning i følgende, "...he would allow foreign troops into a future Palestine to help maintain the peace." I tillegg finnes det andre medlemmer av Fatah som har helt andre planer for politiske veivalg, blant annet den granatkastende Jibril Rajoub, som også liker raketter:

Uttalelsen fra Elliot Abrams tyder på at han har forstått hva dette dreier seg om, fra artikkelen:

Haaretz skrev:Abrams, a top Bush adviser on Mideast affairs, acknowledged that Abbas' condemnations of violence make him "an appealing person." But he said that most of Abbas' comments lacked substance, and that he likely did little to change people's minds. "For those in the 'Peace Now' camp," Abrams said, referring to a dovish Israeli activist group, "it showed how dedicated to peace he is. He seems to realize fully that the use of violence will only harm Palestinians. But for those who are more skeptical about his ability to deliver, his evasiveness suggested that he doesn't want to be pinned down on substantive issues." Abrams acknowledged that the Palestinians' meeting with Jewish leaders is "an intelligent thing to do," but added, "if they think it is a substitute for meeting with the government of Israel, they are making a huge mistake."

...men Nobelkomiteen er sikkert svært begeistret.
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Innlegg QIQrrr 01 Jul 2010, 19:25

Jerusalem Post, June 29, 2010: Israel, like any other sovereign state, has every right to close its border with a belligerent neighbor. Moreover, it has no obligation to provide water, electricity, fuel or access to food and/or medical supplies to its enemies. Why on earth should it aid those that want to eradicate it? Instead of easing the blockade, the government should have announced its intention to exercise its sovereign right to close the border with Gaza and halt the transfer of any goods to its enemy within several months. Israel must make clear to the world that it refuses to accept responsibility for the welfare of Gazan residents, particularly since they are employing violence against the Jewish state - Why aid the enemy?
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Innlegg QIQrrr 09 Jul 2010, 01:50

Et par ferske (arabiske) uttalelser fra Abbas:

    Palestinian Media Watch, July 6, 2010: Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas and the Fatah movement have used the death of the mastermind of the murders of the 11 Israeli athletes during the 1972 Munich Olympics as their latest opportunity to honor and glorify terror, presenting him as a Palestinian hero and role model. In a condolence telegram quoted in the official PA daily newspaper, Abbas referred to Muhammad Daoud Oudeh, who died Saturday, as "a wonderful brother, companion, tough and stubborn, relentless fighter," and described him as "one of the prominent leaders of the Fatah movement." Abbas also called the family to express his condolences - PA Chairman Abbas continues honoring terrorists

    Palestinian Media Watch, July 7, 2010: The official Palestinian Authority daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, reports that PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas said that he supports negotiations with Israel today because it is the only option. However, as to the military option, Abbas said: "If you [Arab states] want war, and if all of you will fight Israel, we are in favor. But the Palestinians will not fight alone because they don't have the ability to do it." The PA daily reports that Abbas said this at a meeting with writers and journalists in the home of the Palestinian Ambassador to Jordan - Mahmoud Abbas: "If all of you [Arab States] will fight Israel, we are in favor"
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Innlegg QIQrrr 20 Jul 2010, 03:37

Arutz Sheva, July 19, 2010: While Hamas continues to complain that Gaza lacks building materials, a luxury mall in Gaza City held its grand opening over the weekend. Among the goods on sale are Israeli men's clothing, and items from Turkey, France, and the United States. A variety of stores sell cosmetics, clothing, office supplies, toys, shoes, appliances and more. The mall boasts air conditioning and a delivery service. Despite the bargain prices, Israelis are advised that it is forbidden to enter Gaza - Bargain Prices for 'Zionist' Clothes in New Gaza Luxury Mall
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Innlegg Rounin 20 Jul 2010, 14:13

Nei, nå må vi få litt ordentlige nyheter her:

Tricky Bibi

Israel has had many rightist leaders since Menachem Begin promised "many Elon Morehs," but there has never been one like Netanyahu, who wants to do it by deceit.
By Gideon Levy

This video should have been banned for broadcast to minors. This video should have been shown in every home in Israel, then sent to Washington and Ramallah. Banned for viewing by children so as not to corrupt them, and distributed around the country and the world so that everyone will know who leads the government of Israel. Channel 10 presented: The real (and deceitful ) face of Binyamin Netanyahu. Broadcast on Friday night on "This Week with Miki Rosenthal," it was filmed secretly in 2001, during a visit by Citizen Netanyahu to the home of a bereaved family in the settlement of Ofra, and astoundingly, it has not created a stir.

The scene was both pathetic and outrageous. The last of Netanyahu's devoted followers, who believe he is the man who will bring peace, would have immediately changed their minds. Presidents Barack Obama and Shimon Peres, who continue to maintain that Netanyahu will bring peace, would be talking differently had they seen this secretly filmed video clip. Even the objection of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to conducting direct negotiations with the man from the video would be understandable. What is there to discuss with a huckster whose sole purpose is "to give 2 percent in order to prevent 100 percent," as his father told him, quoting his grandfather.

Israel has had many rightist leaders since Menachem Begin promised "many Elon Morehs," but there has never been one like Netanyahu, who wants to do it by deceit, to mock America, trick the Palestinians and lead us all astray. The man in the video betrays himself in his own words as a con artist, and now he is again prime minister of Israel. Don't try to claim that he has changed since then. Such a crooked way of thinking does not change over the years.

Forget the Bar-Ilan University speech, forget the virtual achievements in his last visit to the United States; this is the real Netanyahu. No more claims that the Palestinians are to blame for the failure of the Oslo Accords. Netanyahu exposed the naked truth to his hosts at Ofra: he destroyed the Oslo accords with his own hands and deeds, and he's even proud of it. After years in which we were told that the Palestinians are to blame, the truth has emerged from the horse's mouth.

And how did he do it? He recalled how he conditioned his signing of the 1997 Hebron agreement on American consent that there be no withdrawals from "specified military locations," and insisted he choose those same locations, such as the whole of the Jordan Valley, for example. "Why is that important? Because from that moment on I stopped the Oslo Accords," he boasts. The real Netanyahu also brags about his knowledge of America: "I know what America is. America is something that can be moved easily." For the White House's information.

He calls then-U.S. President Bill Clinton "extremely pro-Palestinian," and says the Palestinians want to throw us into the sea. With such retrograde beliefs, no one can convincingly argue that he wants an agreement.

These remarks are profoundly depressing. They bear out all of our fears and suspicions: that the government of Israel is led by a man who doesn't believe the Palestinians and doesn't believe in the chance of an agreement with them, who thinks that Washington is in his pocket and that he can pull the wool over its eyes. There's no point in talking about Netanyahu's impossible rightist coalition as an obstacle to progress. From now on, just say that Netanyahu doesn't want it.

What if Kadima joins the government and Yisrael Beiteinu leaves? Nothing will change. What if Danny Danon goes leftist and Tzipi Hotovely joins Peace Now? Netanyahu doesn't want it.

If he had said so honestly, as he did when he thought the camera in Ofra was turned off, then he could have been forgiven for his extreme positions. It's his right to think that way and get elected for it. The people will have gotten what they chose. But when Netanyahu hides his real positions under camouflage netting and entangles them in webs of deceit, he not only reduces the chances of reaching an agreement, he also damages Israel's political culture. Many people may want a right-wing, nationalist prime minister, but a prime minister who is a con artist? Is is too much to expect of Netanyahu that he speak to us precisely as he spoke in Ofra? Why do a handful of settlers deserve to know the truth, and not us? Tell us the truth, Netanyahu. Talk to us as if the cameras were off, just as you thought then, in 2001 in Ofra.


Netanyahu In 2001: 'America Is A Thing You Can Move Very Easily'

A newly released video of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu could add some additional strain to the sometimes tense relationship between him and President Obama.

In the video, which is from 2001, Netanyahu -- who reportedly did not know his speech was being recorded -- speaks frankly in Hebrew about relations with the Clinton White House and the peace process.

As noted in Haaretz, Netanyahu seems to boast of his knowledge of the US by saying, "I know what America is. America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won't get in their way."

He also boasts of manipulating the U.S. in the ongoing peace process, as the Washington Post points out:

"They asked me before the election if I'd honor [the Oslo accords]," he said. "I said I would, but ... I'm going to interpret the accords in such a way that would allow me to put an end to this galloping forward to the '67 borders. How did we do it? Nobody said what defined military zones were. Defined military zones are security zones; as far as I'm concerned, the entire Jordan Valley is a defined military zone. Go argue."

The video was broadcast on a TV program called "This Week With Miki Rosenthal" titled "The Real (And Deceitful) Face of Benjamin Netanyahu." In Israel's Haaretz newspaper, columnist Gideon Levy said of the video:

These remarks are profoundly depressing. They bear out all of our fears and suspicions: that the government of Israel is led by a man who doesn't believe the Palestinians and doesn't believe in the chance of an agreement with them, who thinks that Washington is in his pocket and that he can pull the wool over its eyes. There's no point in talking about Netanyahu's impossible rightist coalition as an obstacle to progress. From now on, just say that Netanyahu doesn't want it.

↑ Utheving min egen.

Den aktuelle videoen, med en provisorisk oppsummering på engelsk, er å finne på Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6KLFrye9Xk
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Innlegg QIQrrr 20 Jul 2010, 15:11

Rounin skrev:Nei, nå må vi få litt ordentlige nyheter...

...ført i pennen av den svært venstreorienterte Gideon Levy med utgangspunkt i uttalelser fra Benjamin Netanyahu som er hentet fra en video hvor det så vidt jeg kan forstå ikke formidles innsikt i noe som skulle tilsi at artiklene det henvises til er noe annet enn nok et forsøk på å koke suppe på en ikke-eksisterende spiker, men Rounin har åpenbart dannet seg et helt annet inntrykk med tanke på at han mener dette er "ordentlige nyheter," og derfor kan han helt sikkert også forklare hva disse nyhetene egentlig er? Jeg finner nemlig ingen nyhetsverdi i det han har postet.
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Innlegg Rounin 20 Jul 2010, 15:24

Det kan jeg såvisst, men QIQrrrs manglende anerkjennelse av nyhetsverdien i disse uttalelsene skyldes ikke uvitenhet, men uvilje. Og å forklare vekk noens uvilje til å anerkjenne en åpenbar sannhet evner jeg dessverre ikke.
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Innlegg QIQrrr 20 Jul 2010, 16:19

Vel.

General Gabi Ashkenazi er for tiden på visitt i Italia hvor han blant annet har hilst på den italienske generalstaben. Generalen har også besøkt det historiske monumentet Titusbuen hvor han i forbindelse med en seremoni holdt tale:

    Israel Defense Forces, July 19, 2010: In his speech, Lt. Gen. Ashkenazi said, "despite all the misery and horrible tragedies that struck us since the destruction of the Second Temple and our exile, the Jewish People were able to re-establish their national independence in 1948. The Israel Defense Forces, which I'm proud to head, carries the responsibility for the security of this independence. The IDF, as a large, strong and deterring army which draws on its physical and morale strength, is the force that stands prepared against all of our enemies and those who seek to harm us. It is the force that when required, will prevent tragedies, like the one commemorated by this arch." Earlier today, Lt. Gen. Ashkenazi met with his colleague, Chief of Defense Staff of Italy, General Vincenzo Camporini. The Chief of the General Staff also met with the Italian General Staff. The two sides discussed the enhancement and expansion of cooperation between the two armies and the challenges that the armies face on various fronts. The IDF Chief of the General staff thanked his host "for the Italian government's assistance and support for Israel in light of the recent campaign to delegitimize the IDF and the Zionist movement" - Gabi Ashkenazi Spoke Today at the Arch of Titus

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Haaretz, August 27, 2010: Israel is trying to prevent an arms deal between Russia and Syria, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has asked his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, to stop the arms sale involving advanced anti-shipping missiles. The deal involves the sale of advanced P-800 Yakhont supersonic cruise missiles to the Syrian military. In a conversation with Putin, Netanyahu told the Russian leader that missiles his country had delivered to Syria were then transferred to Hezbollah and used against IDF troops during the Second Lebanon War. Meanwhile, Ehud Barak is scheduled to travel to Moscow for what will be the first-ever visit by an Israeli Defense Minister to the Russian capital, where he plans to discuss the matter with his host, Anatoly Serdyukov. As the Russian Defense Ministry is considered to be overwhelmingly pro-Arab, the opportunity for an Israeli Defense Minister to make an official visit is considered a historic development - Israel working to thwart Russia arms deal with Syria

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Jerusalem Post, September 15, 2010: The international community should warn Damascus that a Syrian “institute” responsible for transferring weapons to Hizbullah and Hamas “will be demolished” if it continues arming terrorist organizations, Brig.-Gen. (Res.) Nitzan Nuriel, director of the National Security Council’s Counter-Terrorism Bureau, said on Monday. Nuriel was referring to Syria’s Scientific Studies and Research Center. In 2005, former US president George Bush designated the SSRC as a weapons proliferator, accusing it of developing missiles as well as biological and chemical weapons. Two years later, the US Treasury banned trade with three Syrian institutes that are subsidiaries of the SSRC. In 2004, Israel’s Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center said in a report on Syria that the SSRC had been developing ricinbased biological weapons. During his speech on Monday, Nuriel said the center had transferred arms to Hamas and Hizbullah. Hizbullah and Hamas possessed weapons that “nations in Europe do not have” and Hamas is now equipped with UAVs and long-range rockets, Nuriel said. “These are national capabilities. It’s no longer three guys and a booby trap,” he said - Syria arms ‘institute’ must be stopped, official says

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