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Velferdsstaten

Innlegg Panther 14 Mar 2009, 17:54

Dette gjelder minst like mye i Norge som i USA.

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5464

Bernard Madoff has confessed to a Ponzi scheme whereby he swindled investors of billions of dollars. “In court documents, prosecutors say Madoff reported he oversaw $64.8 billion.” Multiply that staggering amount of money by 3,000, and you get roughly the amount of money that Americans have lost over the past two generations to federal, state and local government spending on the welfare state, which totaled roughly $5 trillion dollars in 2008 alone.

The Ponzi schemes known as Social Security and Medicare continue. When these programs started, elderly Americans received benefits without having paid into these programs. The programs count on baby booms so that there are more young people paying than there are old people collecting. When the baby boomers of the 40s and 50s turn 65, these Ponzi schemes will collapse. Will today’s politicians ever confess in court as Madoff did yesterday? Will they be reviled as Madoff has been? They should be.


Madoff allegedly wiped out the assets of many wealthy people. But he could not have wiped out more than half their wealth, because the welfare state had already wiped out the first half or more. Consider federal personal income tax, federal corporate income tax, state and local income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, and other taxes I don’t know about because I’m not rich myself. Even tax shelters cost the wealthy tons of money, because the returns from tax shelters are much lower than what the wealthy could make from other investments if the other investments were not taxed. And then there’s the government’s inflation of the money supply, which robs people who own assets and taxes people on interest income that merely keeps up with inflation.

Welfare statists sometimes argue, wrongly, that the percentage in tax paid by the wealthy is lower than the percentage paid by the middle class. This argument omits most kinds of taxes and the cost of tax shelters and inflation. But the deeper evil of this argument is the smuggling in of the premise that the standard for tax fairness is the percentage of income that is taxed.

Why should an individual who makes $50 million a year pay the same percentage in tax that an individual who makes $50 thousand a year pays? In other words, why should the rich person pay 1,000 times as much money as the average person pays? When you check out at the supermarket, does the cashier say, “That will be 5% of your weekly income, please”? If everyone had to pay the same percentage of his income for everything, then everyone would have the same purchasing power, because everyone has 100%.
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Politics and Blacks

Innlegg Panther 12 Aug 2009, 15:07

Litt om virkningene av velferdsstaten, når den prøver å forbedre forholdene for en spesifikk rase, via rasepolitikk, eller også mer kjent som rasisme.

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5611

by Walter Williams (August 12, 2009)

In 1940, when blacks were politically impotent, their poverty rate was 87 percent. By 1960, before blacks achieved much political power, it fell to 47 percent. During that interval, in various skilled trades, the incomes of blacks relative to whites more than doubled. Before 1960, there were no anti-poverty programs or affirmative action programs that can explain an economic advance that exceeded any other 20-year interval, though there were Truman and Eisenhower administration attacks on some of the gross forms of racial discrimination. A significant chunk of black progress occurred simply through migration from rural areas in the South to big Northern cities. Between 1960 and 1980, black poverty fell roughly 17 percent and continued falling to today's 24 percent. The decline in black poverty between 1960 and 1980 might have simply been a continuation of a trend starting much earlier and cannot be attributed solely to the 1964 Civil Rights Act, President Johnson's War on Poverty, or Richard Nixon's affirmative action.

In fact, politicians tend to be hostile to some of the solutions to problems many blacks face such as school choice as a means to strengthen education, the elimination of oppressive licensing restrictions for various occupations, and supportive of job-destroying labor legislation such as minimum wage laws.

The bottom line is there is very little evidence anywhere on the planet that political power is a necessary condition for economic power.
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Re: Velferdsstaten

Innlegg QIQrrr 23 Feb 2010, 10:45

RealClearPolitics, February 22, 2010: It would be possible in other circumstances to disregard the ongoing story of Greece and its debts as a tedious tale of financial markets. But there's much more to it than that. What's happening in Greece speaks to two larger issues affecting hundreds of millions of people everywhere: the future of the welfare state and the fate of Europe's single currency -- the euro. The meaning of Greece transcends high finance. Every advanced society, including the United States, has a welfare state. Though details differ, their purposes are similar: to support the unemployed, poor, disabled and aged. All welfare states face similar problems: burgeoning costs as populations age; an overreliance on debt financing; and pressures to reduce borrowing that create pressures to cut welfare spending. High debt and the welfare state are at odds. It's an open question whether the collision will cause social and economic turmoil. Greece is the opening act in this drama - Greece and the Welfare State in Ruins
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Re: Velferdsstaten

Innlegg QIQrrr 01 Mar 2010, 09:32

PJM, February 28, 2010: Europe has been hit by a wave of industrial and social unrest in recent days and weeks, as workers across the continent push back against efforts to cut government spending and drive down wages. The uncoordinated strikes and protests, which have taken place in at least a dozen European countries and have threatened to paralyze much of the continent, may be a harbinger of more unrest to come. With much of Europe in or just barely out of recession and many millions of Europeans out of work and collecting welfare checks, governments large and small are scrambling to fix gaping budget holes in an effort to stave off financial disaster. In Spain, for example, the government spent twice as much as it took in during 2009, with unemployment benefits constituting the largest single component of government expenditures. Many other European countries are in a similar bind. Indeed, with millions of long-term unemployed Europeans on track to becoming permanent wards of the state, the European social model is under strain as never before - European Welfare State Model under Strain as Labor Tensions Rise
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Re: Velferdsstaten

Innlegg QIQrrr 14 Jul 2010, 07:48

The Globe and Mail, July 12, 2010: Democracies produced Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, fulfilling the expectation of Socrates and Machiavelli that democracies end in tyranny. Now democracies are fulfilling the complementary expectation of Nobel laureate economist Milton Friedman that democracies end in bankruptcy. Put a democracy in charge of the Sahara, Mr. Friedman once said, and sand itself will become scarce. Democracies are indeed profligate trustees – or have been for the past 30 or 40 years. Mr. Friedman’s primary fret, though, was the tendency of democracy to centralize political and economic power in the same hands. Most critiques of democracy reflect this elemental distrust. “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb,” Benjamin Franklin reputedly said, “voting on what to have for lunch.” Democratic self-deprecation isn’t quite as funny as it once was. Mobs have already taken to the venerable, iconic streets of European states, notably among them Greece, birthplace of Athenian democracy. It’s apparently easier to give wealth away than it is to take it back. Democracy assembled the welfare state peaceably enough. Can democracy dismantle it as peaceably? No, it can’t. The mobs are not finished - The disintegration of the welfare state
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Re: Velferdsstaten

Innlegg QIQrrr 27 Okt 2010, 00:55

American Thinker, October 26, 2010: It is Europe's autumn of discontent. All across the continent, people are taking to the streets to protest the austerity measures of their governments. The governments have to cut for a simple reason: They are broke. They no longer have the money to sponsor the kind of padded lifestyles to which their citizens have grown accustomed. This in turn makes the citizens angry -- so much so that they are willing to turn their countries upside-down in order to obtain benefits their governments simply cannot provide - The Curse of the Welfare State
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No Sherman March for the Welfare State

Innlegg Panther 11 Mai 2011, 16:44

http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/culture/media/6408-no-sherman-march-for-the-welfare-state.html

No Sherman March for the Welfare State
10 May 2011 Michael Hurd

Instead of putting people of a certain race in chains, we now put people who are the most productive in chains.

Just as an individual needs a reality-oriented form of psychotherapy, a nation or a culture needs a reality-based set of solutions to get out of any mess it finds itself in.

Consider a bit of history. General William T. Sherman turned the tide of the Civil War, by his successful march through Atlanta on to the eastern shore of Savannah, GA. He also ensured Lincoln's reelection at a time when Lincoln was almost certainly doomed to lose. All this was in 1864. Three years earlier, Sherman had bluntly told his superiors the number and kind of troops that would be required to win the war. Eventually, he was proven right. At the time, he was dismissed by everyone (except possibly Lincoln) as mentally unfit for duty and for all practical purposes insane. The man who won the Civil War for the Union three years later barely held on by a thread to his military career. This shows how people often don't like the truth, and will typically react with great anger to it.


This is like a raging alcoholic claiming, "I can moderate my drinking. And I can quit any time I want." Or, this would be like General Sherman saying, "You can win the war without the troops required." In fact, he said just the opposite, was labeled insane -- and nearly thrown out of the military because of it. Of course, before long, as the war dragged on and Union casualties mounted, many began to see that Sherman was right. Subsequently he was given the latitude to go on and help win the war for the Union.


Slavery of any kind can only be upheld by a government. Black slaves were upheld as property of their "owners," first by the original United States government and later under the rebellious Confederacy. Only when the government of the Confederacy was overthrown by a Union government that upheld the absolutism of individual rights (at least with respect to slavery) did slavery finally end.

The same applies to modern-day slavery. Unfortunately, there is no Abolitionist movement in favor of freeing the productive from the shackles of a parasitical, consuming Big Government welfare bureaucracy. There is no political party which even recognizes the underlying injustice of modern-day slavery; the two ruling parties, Democrat and Republican, fight mainly over personalities and phony numbers, not principles of any kind.
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Re: Velferdsstaten

Innlegg QIQrrr 18 Aug 2011, 06:49

James A. Dorn, Cato Institute, August 17, 2011: If the riots in Britain have taught us anything, it is that when government fails in its most basic function — protecting persons and property — civil society ends, and warfare begins. The rise of the welfare state has eroded respect for private property rights and fostered a socialist mentality that dulls individual responsibility - The Welfare State's Road to Riots
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Re: Velferdsstaten

Innlegg QIQrrr 09 Nov 2011, 21:08

The Wall Street Journal, November 9, 2011: In Italy, as in Greece, Spain and Portugal and eventually France, the welfare-entitlement state has hit a wall. Successive governments on the Continent, right and left, have financed generous entitlements with high taxes and towering piles of debt. Their economies have failed to grow fast enough to keep up, and last year the money started to run out. The reckoning has arrived - Europe's Entitlement Reckoning
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Re: Velferdsstaten

Innlegg QIQrrr 23 Feb 2012, 22:07

Fattige europeiske velferdsstater får u-hjelp fra Filippinene:

    ABS-CBN News, February 21, 2012: Gone are the days when the Philippines could only borrow from the International Monetary Fund (IMF). With record foreign exchange reserves, the country became a creditor in the IMF system in 2010, lending to troubled nations in Europe, the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (BSP) reported Tuesday. As of end-2011, the country infused $251.1 million in the IMF's Financial Transactions Plan (FTP), a mechanism by which foreign exchange from members with strong external position are lent to borrowing members. More than half of the amount made available by the Philippines went to European countries such as Ireland, Portugal and Greece, in an effort to adderss the financial crisis impacting the euro zone, the BSP said - PH enters IMF creditor list, lends to EU countries
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Re: Velferdsstaten

Innlegg QIQrrr 29 Feb 2012, 10:19

Lutfattige europeiske velferdsstater har ikke råd til medisiner:

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