Stop Online Piracy Act

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Stop Online Piracy Act

Innlegg streetsmart 19 Jan 2012, 22:10

Jeg registrerte i går at wikipedia gikk ut i protest i mot Stop online piracy act. Jeg mener at wikipedia er en side som har vokst på grunn av liberalistisk vis. Et fint eksempel på hva frivillighet kan gjøre. Jeg har ikke satt meg helt inn i hva Stop online piracy innebærer, men i utgangspunktet skulle jo Jimmy Wales være fan av Ayn Rand og liberalisme. Dette sier han også selv i denne videoen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxxddBY-Vwo

For eller mot stop online piracy act? Er det noe galt med denne regelen som kanskje innføres? Er wikipedia bygd på piratkopi?

http://www.vg.no/teknologi/artikkel.php?artid=10040966
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act

Innlegg Vegard Martinsen 20 Jan 2012, 07:49

For eller mot stop online piracy act?


Ut i fra det jeg vet nå er jeg imot! Dvs jeg mener at den ikke bør innføres.


Er wikipedia bygd på piratkopi?



Nei
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act

Innlegg stian 20 Jan 2012, 11:22

Wikipedia bygger på ren frivillighet, Jimmy definerer seg selv som objektivist og sier selv at han ikke vil ah Wikipedia forbundet med althuisme, det er jo trossalt ingen som skal ofre seg selv der. Wikipedia bryter ikke åndsverket, men det skjer en eller annen gang at noen gir tilatelse til å bruke et bilde, mens de egentlig ikke er opphavsmann til bilde, og lignende, derfor anbefaler vel wikipedia at du kun legger opp egen produksjoner. Jeg vil vel uansett tro at å ha skrevet tusenvis av Wikipedia artikler er noe bra å ha på CVen.

Ut i fra det jeg vet nå er jeg imot! Dvs jeg mener at den ikke bør innføres.

SOPA bryter jo strengt tatt med rettsprinsippet. Allerede kan jo industrien stevne sider inn for retten, og bla YouTube har jo tatt kraft grep om saken. Men denne loven vil bidra til at amerikanske nettsider vil leve i frykt for at noen skal fylle ut noen papirer og de våkner opp til at siden er borte.
Partimedlem.
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act

Innlegg Vegard Martinsen 20 Jan 2012, 12:51

stian skrev: ...
Ut i fra det jeg vet nå er jeg imot! Dvs jeg mener at den ikke bør innføres.

SOPA bryter jo strengt tatt med rettsprinsippet. Allerede kan jo industrien stevne sider inn for retten, og bla YouTube har jo tatt kraft grep om saken. Men denne loven vil bidra til at amerikanske nettsider vil leve i frykt for at noen skal fylle ut noen papirer og de våkner opp til at siden er borte.



Ja, dette stemmer med min forståelse, og dette hører ikke hjemme i en rettsstat.
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act

Innlegg Vegard Martinsen 21 Jan 2012, 07:06

SOPA is the equivalent of smashing the Gutenberg press
By Adrian Hon

The Gutenberg printing press was "the internet of its day"

One of the most important technological advances in the past thousand years was Gutenberg's printing press. As one Italian bishop put it, it would take three printers working for three months to produce 300 copies of a book – but it would take three scribes a lifetime each to complete the same number.

Yet it wasn't only the speed of the printing press that made it so revolutionary – it was its ability to produce practically perfect copies of written text. No longer would students have to worry about errors or omissions introduced by scribes working off second or third-hand copies – they could instead rest assured that their copy was as accurate as the original master.
Ideas could spread faster, farther, and with more fidelity than ever before – not for nothing does Elizabeth Evenden, a lecturer in the history of books, call the new technology "the internet of its day", with information no longer "coming purely from the pulpits or disseminated by governments."

Over five hundred years on, we can now make 300 copies of a book – and send them across the world – not in three months, but in the blink of an eye. This advance has led to the flowering of online commerce and the exchange of new and diverse ideas between people who would never otherwise have been able to talk, let alone meet. Unsurprisingly, our ability to copy information has not filled everyone with joy, since it has also led with widespread piracy of copyrighted materials.

Spurred on by big media companies, the latest effort by governments to stamp out piracy comes in the form of two bills from the US Congress: the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and the Protect Intellectual Property Act (PIPA).

According to these acts, if a US site (or a foreign site that has its domain name registered in the US) is found to be "committing or facilitating the commission" of copyright infringment, then, on the request of a rights holder, it is subject to seizure in a way that many scholars believe violates due process, depriving people of a fair hearing and suppressing free speech.
It gets worse. If the targeted site is not based in the US and thus cannot be seized, then the following actions must occur:

1) US sites and search engines must remove all links to the foreign site
2) US advertising services must no longer serve ads linking to the site, or display ads on the foreign site
3) US payment networks must cease all transactions between the foreign site and US customers
4) US service providers to block access to the foreign site via DNS blacklisting

In other words, a rights holder would be able to accuse a website anywhere in the world of facilitating piracy simply because a user posted a comment linking to a file sharing site, and the site would completely vanish from the internet. Anyone using any US-based search engine (which includes pretty much everyone in the UK) would not be able to find it, and anyone in the US would discover that typing in its URL would lead to nowhere.

It's a breathtaking grab for power and control, one that seeks to use the very same powers and technologies that repressive governments in the Middle East and China use to stamp out free speech – except here, it's purely for the interests of rights holders. Talk about destroying the village in order to save it. And since the UK often blindly follows the US in these matters thanks to global media companies and star-struck politicians, we need to keep a very close eye on it.

What makes this entire affair so tragic is that SOPA and PIPA wouldn't even dent piracy; encrypted torrents, VPNs, anonymous proxies, use of foreign DNS servers and the TOR network: all of these technologies are trivial for pirates to use, and extremely difficult for authorities to track.

Piracy is not going to be solved by the heavy hand of the law. As far as businesses should be concerned, it can only ultimately be "solved" by new business models, just as radios, record players, tape recorders, and video recorders all required media companies to figure out new ways of making money. We are not about to jump in a time machine to return to the 60s and give up the internet just because some companies can't compete.

While SOPA has been shelved for the moment thanks to a popular outcry, some speculate that this was merely a planned retreat and that its predatory spirit will live on in Pipa or other acts. As a result, major websites, including Wikipedia and Reddit, have decided to continue with their blackouts today in an effort to highlight the issue and rally support against the acts. With luck, the authors of SOPA and PIPA may discover that they have stumbled across the one issue that unites internet users of every kind and persuasion.
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act

Innlegg Onarki 21 Jan 2012, 17:16

Yaron Brook videreformidler en interessant bloggpost om temaet:


http://www.facebook.com/ybrook/posts/318078254898123
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act

Innlegg Vegard Martinsen 21 Jan 2012, 18:09

Onarki skrev:Yaron Brook videreformidler en interessant bloggpost om temaet:


http://www.facebook.com/ybrook/posts/318078254898123



Takk til Onar som linket til dette interessante innlegget.
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act

Innlegg stian 21 Jan 2012, 20:03

Nå har nettsider som f.eks Wikipedia, YouTube, Rapidshare osv vært beskyttet gjennom Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act, og med f.eks nedleggelsen av megaupload (som jo nærmest var en ren pirat side) så viser man vel at de gamle lovene fungerer helt fint dem, bare de brukes riktig.

Som CDT og EFF har påpekt så vil derimot SOPA flytte bevisbyrden over på nettsiden, altså at de må bevise sin uskyll for at noe "ulovelig" har kommet opp på slike sider som f.eks YouTube. Man kan jo selv tenke seg hvilke resurser google måtte ha puttet på saken dersom de skulle gått igjennom en hver video som lastes opp for å finne ut at ikke musikk, video eller annen bryter med en eller annen copyright, allerede idag er det massive klager mot YoUTube sin håndering av DCMA som "better safe than sorry" (f.eks så ble egen produksjoner som f.eks hadde en setning eller bit av melodinen fra en annen sang blokkert dersom noen klaget).

EFF kalte den: "massive piece of job-killing Internet regulation,"

Gary Shapiro (CEO, Consumer Electronics Association): "The bill attempts a radical restructuring of the laws governing the Internet," and that "It would undo the legal safe harbors that have allowed a world-leading Internet industry to flourish over the last decade. It would expose legitimate American businesses and innovators to broad and open-ended liability. The result will be more lawsuits, decreased venture capital investment, and fewer new jobs." [F.eks så vil nok google velge å legge ned YouTube da den ikke lenger vil være en lønnsom tjeneste, også sider som Twitter, Facebook og googles søketjeneste vil stå i faresonen]

Booz & Company gjorde en studie (på oppdrag fra Google) gir inntrykk av at folk (200 kapitalister/investorer ble spurt) vil slutte å investere i det digitale mediumet dersom loven går igjennom, http://www.booz.com/global/home/press/article/49953717

Intensjonen for loven er grei, men lov teksten gir litt inntrykk av at det ville vært veivesenet sin feil dersom du kjørte for fort på deres veier. Eller at det ville vært en verktøy handels ansvar dersom du hadde kjøpt en hammer og brukt denne til å drepe noen med.
Partimedlem.
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act

Innlegg stian 27 Jan 2012, 19:27

Kan jo nevne:
http://mashable.com/2012/01/20/sopa-is- ... ulls-bill/

Lamar Smith, the chief sponsor of SOPA, said on Friday that he is pulling the bill “until there is wider agreement on a solution.”
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