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Religion

Innlegg Panther 11 Mai 2011, 16:28

http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/culture/religion/6405-thank-god-for.html

Thank God For...
10 May 2011 Michael Hurd

Many people -- thank God for saving them from some calamity (such as a tornado, earthquake, tsunami, hurricane, flood, etc.), but they don't blame that same God for causing the disaster in the first place (and possibly killing hundreds or thousands of others, including animals and children).

Dr. Hurd: I was wondering why some people -- in fact, many people -- thank God (or Dog if you're dyslexic) for saving them from some calamity (such as a tornado, earthquake, tsunami, hurricane, flood, etc.), but they don't blame that same God for causing the disaster in the first place (and possibly killing hundreds or thousands of others, including animals and children). What are your thoughts on this?

Dr. Hurd's reply: You'd have to ask someone with this perspective to know for sure. I'll speculate from what I know. My sense is that you'd get many, many different answers to the question, "Why do you thank God for saving you from disaster, while never blaming God for all the problems in the world -- your own, or others'?"


If you think about it, the mystics of State are the real thing. They always have an answer. If anything is wrong in the world, there "ought to be a law" to take care of it. If there already is a law, the law isn't adequate enough. Or the wrong person -- Bush, instead of Obama -- is in charge of enforcing it. And if Obama is in charge and it's still not getting enforced -- well, it must be Bush's fault. The names change from one decade to the next, but the underlying principle does not: The Right Politician is always The Answer.

This is no different than trust in God. People put their trust in things which don't make sense at their own peril. The challenge is not to be reasonable and logical some of the time, but all of the time. Even when it's hard.
Ken-G. Johansen.
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Re: Religion

Innlegg Nikuls 24 Mai 2011, 10:50

Many people -- thank God for saving them from some calamity (such as a tornado, earthquake, tsunami, hurricane, flood, etc.), but they don't blame that same God for causing the disaster in the first place (and possibly killing hundreds or thousands of others, including animals and children).


Sjølvsagt gjer dei ikkje det. Dei som trur ein guddomeleg kraft styrer verdi, trur òg all lukka som kjem deim ved er løn for ei from livsførsle, medan ulukkor som råkar deim er refs for synder og laster, ulydnad og misgjerder. Det er logisk um ein er religiøs.

Og samanlikningi millom trui på Gud og trui på staten gjev ikkje meining, er mest berre polemikk. Trur ein at staten kan bøta på ei syrgjeleg stoda, er ikkje denne voni fåfengd, staten er reell, me veit han er der og me veit han i minsto kan freista gjera noko me det som låkt eller vrangt, men ingen veit um Gud i røyndi finst, og ikkje alle trur han er til, og ein treng aldri rekna med honom i samfunnspursmål.
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Re: Religion

Innlegg Vegard Martinsen 24 Mai 2011, 17:50

Nikuls skrev:
Many people -- thank God for saving them from some calamity (such as a tornado, earthquake, tsunami, hurricane, flood, etc.), but they don't blame that same God for causing the disaster in the first place (and possibly killing hundreds or thousands of others, including animals and children).


Sjølvsagt gjer dei ikkje det. Dei som trur ein guddomeleg kraft styrer verdi, trur òg all lukka som kjem deim ved er løn for ei from livsførsle, medan ulukkor som råkar deim er refs for synder og laster, ulydnad og misgjerder. Det er logisk um ein er religiøs.


Ja, dette forekommer nok, men langt oftere forekommer det at man takker Gud for at man er en av de få som overlevde en ulykke og gir Gud æren for at man overlevde, man at man samtidig ikke sier at Gud da må ha ønsket at de som ikke overlevde skulle dø.
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Re: Religion

Innlegg Holm 27 Mai 2011, 21:49

Vegard Martinsen skrev:
Nikuls skrev:
Many people -- thank God for saving them from some calamity (such as a tornado, earthquake, tsunami, hurricane, flood, etc.), but they don't blame that same God for causing the disaster in the first place (and possibly killing hundreds or thousands of others, including animals and children).


Sjølvsagt gjer dei ikkje det. Dei som trur ein guddomeleg kraft styrer verdi, trur òg all lukka som kjem deim ved er løn for ei from livsførsle, medan ulukkor som råkar deim er refs for synder og laster, ulydnad og misgjerder. Det er logisk um ein er religiøs.


Ja, dette forekommer nok, men langt oftere forekommer det at man takker Gud for at man er en av de få som overlevde en ulykke og gir Gud æren for at man overlevde, man at man samtidig ikke sier at Gud da må ha ønsket at de som ikke overlevde skulle dø.


Man kunne vel sagt at dette er en av forskjellene på de "ekstreme" og de "moderate"? Fundamentalistene ser på ulykker og katastrofer som straff fra Gud, mens de moderate "jeg er religiøs når det passer meg"-troende velger å forklare det med vitenskap eller uflaks.
"I hate conservatives, but I really f**king hate liberals."
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Religion Does Not Lead to Liberty

Innlegg Panther 18 Aug 2011, 09:07

http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/culture/religion/6543-religion-does-not-lead-to-liberty.html

18 August 2011 Michael Hurd

Exasperated people who favor liberty and individual rights, but who also favor separation of church and state, often say to me: "Why is this our choice? Why do we have the socialist Obama on the one side, and the religiously insane Michele Bachmann on the other? Why do capitalism and freedom go hand-in-hand with religious nuttiness?"


The truth is that freedom, individual rights and capitalism are the most rational things in the world. Thinking people are the ones who should embrace them. Individual rights, consistently applied, keep government out of people's private affairs. Government only concerns itself with objective fraud and violent criminals (foreign and domestic). That's plenty, and the government should be strong in the exercise of those protections. Beyond that, it should stay out. Human beings must be left free to think, reason, and act. That's the lesson of the United States of America. It was the freest country on earth, and it was the first to practice the protection of individual rights with any consistency.

Whatever the future holds for the U.S., and it's not looking good at the moment, this fact will always remain true.

Rational people must learn this lesson. Religion takes us back to the supernaturalism and fear of the Dark Ages. Socialism is taking us back to the same place, only by a different means. Reason, freedom, and individual rights will set us free.
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