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Kapitalisme vs Sosialisme

Innlegg Panther 27 Jan 2011, 22:36

http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/politics/6245-%EF%BB%BFcapitalism-is-peaceful%2C-socialism-is-force.html

Capitalism is Peaceful, Socialism is Force
25 January 2011 Michael Hurd

Should affluent people be forced to give money to the poor, at gunpoint or the threat of jail?"

Paul Krugman, the intellectual apostle of liberal-left socialism in the United States, recently wrote the following in The New York Times:

"One side of American politics considers the modern welfare state . . .morally superior to the capitalism red in tooth and claw we had before the New Deal. It's only right, this side believes, for the affluent to help the less fortunate. The other side believes that people have a right to keep what they earn, and that taxing them to support others, no matter how needy, amounts to theft. That's what lies behind the modern right's fondness for violent rhetoric: many activists on the right really do see taxes and regulation as tyrannical impositions on their liberty."

Note the choice Krugman gives us: Socialism with rich being forced to help the poor, or freedom where nobody ever helps anybody for any reason, whatsoever. Ridiculous!

Imagine you did a poll. The first question asks, "Is it good for the affluent to help the poor?" Most will answer yes. They'll think of benevolent people with lots of money voluntarily giving some of that money to people who have little or nothing. What could be wrong with that? You'd end up with 95 to 99 percent saying, "Sure, it's good for the affluent to help the poor."

Now imagine this question: "Should affluent people be forced to give money to the poor, at gunpoint or the threat of jail?" Put that way, you'd have a lot fewer than 99 percent saying, "yes." You'd have about a third of Americans, those who form the base of Obama's socialist constituency, saying "yes" for sure. To people like this, it's inconceivable that any one person should have more wealth than another, and it's impossible to bring this about without the force of government.

To another third, you'd have wishy washy or unsure responses, and with the final third you'd perhaps have a decisive, or even a reluctant, "No." This is speculation on my part, although it's based on the way most people tend to vote in the United States. By and large, a third are socialist/liberal, a third are not, and another third are undecided.

What's certain is that you can hold the view that the intitiation of force is always bad.


If only! I would love a political party that openly states all initiation of force against citizens is immoral, no matter what the circumstance. That's not the G.O.P. I've ever seen, not even at its "Tea Party" best. The G.O.P. I see is one which sidesteps the issue, says we should cut spending, and claims that the purpose of government is to empower people rather than make them dependent on government handouts.

In reality, it's not the purpose of government to do anything -- except to ensure that people are left alone. Anyone who values freedom, independence and life on earth wants only one thing: Protection ... including from government itself.
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Re: Kapitalisme vs Sosialisme

Innlegg user11 28 Jan 2011, 00:11

Reagan tax cuts:

Before we leave the subject, let's dissect another liberal-spawned myth associated with the eighties. I've mentioned it before, but it too is worth of repeating. They call lit the "Decade of Greed." Well, my friends, it was in this so-called "Decade of Greed" that Americans became more charitable than ever before. No matter how you measure it-whether it's in absolute terms, in real dollars adjusted for inflation, or in contributions relative to national income-the 1980s were, indeed, the Decade of Giving. According to a report by Richard B. McKenzie, professor at the Graduate School of Management at the University of California, Irvine, the annual rate of growth in total giving in the 1980s was nearly 55 percent higher than in the previous twenty-five years.


It's common sense to realize that when people earn more and feel more secure in their positions, they give more. The converse, of course, it also true. When gargantuan portions of people's paychecks are confiscated by the federal, state, and local governments, they will have less discretionary income to donate to charity, or anything else, for that matter.


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Re: Kapitalisme vs Sosialisme

Innlegg QIQrrr 07 Jul 2011, 20:04

Atlas Network, July 7, 2011: Nobel Laureate and Atlas Templeton Leadership Fellow, Mario Vargas Llosa, tells the story of his conversion from Marxism to free market capitalism after visiting Cuba and the Soviet Union - Letters to Castro: Mario Vargas Llosa Rejects Socialism

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